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A Dating Dilemma

I almost forgot I owned this frock until I dragged it out this morning to wear for an afternoon of antique-ing. I’ve always found it oddly and irritatingly era-ambigious, so I’m not surprised I put it out of my mind for awhile.

It’s a curious frock. Although I get quite a fierce 1940s vibe, what with the little puff sleeves, not-quite-full skirt, and satisfyingly old-feeling fabric, I can’t quite convince myself it’s 40s, considering how little I paid for it.

Vintage friends and dating extraordinaires, thoughts?

Era-ambigious vintage frock Cambridge, UK | Hair flower Circa Vintage | Belt borrowed from dear Callie | Shoes Macy’s

When I haven’t been obsessing about the era of my floral frock, I’ve been flitting about Sydney as per usual with various Old Hatters in tow. We had a glorious picnic that you can read all about very soon, among other things.

Until next time – bonne weekend, mes ami/es !


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Dating a Vintage Frock

Dating vintage really is quite an art. A lot has been written about the various idiosyncrasies of vintage clothes you can look out for when trying to sort out their eras. I won’t give you an exhaustive list of these because some other vintage bloggers and resources have already covered it very well: click here for Tuppence Ha’Penny’s brilliant post, and click here for tips from the Vintage Fashion Guild. Rather, I’m going to show you how I dated one particular frock.

I bought this lovely dress recently from Mint Condition in Rozelle. Of course the shop tag tells me it’s 50s, but I went looking for evidence of this nonetheless. There is also variation in styles of the 50s, so it’s useful to know if it’s early or late 50s, or even early 60s.

The first thing to consider is the style. It’s a little difficult looking at this picture of the dress as it’s hanging rather than being worn, but the frock is in the classic New Look silhouette we know dominated dress styles from 1947 to the early 60s. This means it has a fitted bodice and a circle skirt. So we know it is, at least stylistically, from or inspired by this era.

Nonetheless, I’m inclined to say that this frock is from the late 50s or early 60s because of its length. This picture isn’t the perfect way to check it out, but you can hopefully sort of see that the skirt isn’t really all that long by mid-century standards – on me it’s just about knee-length. Though the same silhouette carried through the 50s to the early 60s, one of the obvious changes was the rise in hem-lines which lifted hems up to the knee, whereas previously frocks were almost almost below.

Another sign it’s in a vintage style: the matching fabric-covered belt. You can see this dress is actually in flawless condition – a lot of frocks lose their matching belts over the years, which is kind of sad.

One of the most convenient things to look at when dating vintage is the zipper. Metal zippers were used all through the 50s and early 60s, until later when they starting using plastic and vinyl instead. You can see that this zipper is clearly metal, so we know the dress has some age to it. You can also see that it’s in the side seam of the dress, which indicates that it’s probably from before the mid-sixties at which point they began to put zippers in the back of frocks instead (thank god). Note that zippers are often replaced over the years, so if you’re 100% sure a dress is 50s but it has a plastic zipper, don’t fret.

It’s handy to look at the hem. I find a lot of vintage frocks have hand-sewn hems, or at least the stitches aren’t really so neat. The most important thing to look for is overlocking, which if you don’t know what it is looks like this. Overlocking wasn’t commercially available until 1965, and after that it was used to finish most hems, so if you don’t see it this is a good sign. You can see this hem has been hand-stitched, and rather than having overlocking to finish it, the hem has simply been folded over before being sewn up.

In this picture you can also see the “pinking” which features in a lot of vintage frocks – pinking is the zig-zag edge you can see. “Pinking shears” were often used to finish off seams before 1965 because overlocking wasn’t available yet, or else seams were also often left raw/unfinished.

I was super-excited to discover a Union Label in this frock, which I’ve never been able to find before. Union Labels were put in American and Candian-produced garments up until 1995 (I believe), and by looking at the label design, you can figure out which era a dress is from. There’s a really good guide to them here on eBay. This label features the logo which I discovered is from the period 1955-1963 (see it on another dress here). The description of it from the eBay guide is as follows:

“This label was issued after AFL and CIO merged in 1955, and lasted until June 28, 1963. It is usually printed in blue on white, and features a scalloped circle with a threaded needle diagonally behind it. In the center are the large letters ILGWU, crossed with a smaller AFL-CIO. Around the edge is printed Int’l Ladies Garment Workers Union.”

Another thing to note here is that the label designates the fabric content as “100% cotton”. This brings me to think that the dress is from the period 1960-1963, as it wasn’t until 1960 that the USA Textile Products Identification Act mandated the use of labels listing the fabric content. It could perhaps be an odd garment from before this, but I’m going to wager now that it’s very early 60s.

Also, it’s listed as a size 14, which wouldn’t at all be accurate by modern sizing standards. Vintage clothes often have wacky sizing.

It was also exciting to buy the dress as “deadstock”. This term means the dress has never been worn, and still has its original tags which is very cool. Looking at tags or labels is very helpful, first of all because it gives you the brand, but also because by looking at the style of the tag you can tell some things. The tag here is in an elegant sort of font, which means it’s probably 50s or early 60s, because after that the fonts became a lot more modern or psychadelic.

Here’s the other side of the tag:

Having the designer name is a treat, because if you do some research you can figure out more about the origins of the dress. The Vintage Fashion Guild has an excellent database of vintage fashion labels you can sift through if you have the time. A google also reaps rewards. Barba Dee wasn’t in the database, but googling the name uncovered an August 1959 edition of the “Milwaukee Journal” in Wisconsin featuring an ad for a corduroy jumper by Barba Dee. And then I found this December 1959 advertisement in the “Pittsbourgh Press”:

It turns out there’s a whole resource of old newspapers in Google News Archives. Barba Dee was advertised in papers between the years of 1955 and 1963, mainly around the East Coast of America – this tells me some interesting things about the origins of my dress.

So that’s my little process for dating a vintage frock. As you can see, shop tags are sometimes a little inaccurate – it seems my dress is from the very early 60s (1960-1963), not the 50s as the store suggested. If you want to know more about dating frocks, I definitely recommend checking out the Vintage Fashion Guild website.

I’m going to be wearing the dress out tonight for the Old Hat Social, even though it will kill me to cut off the original tag. I hope you all have lovely weekends, and research your wardrobes if you have the time.


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